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MIBOR and NAR have no grasp of internet technology and how it works!

In a recent development, the MIBOR MLS (Indianapolis Board of Realtors) in Indiana, backed by an opinion of the National Association of REALTORS  (NAR) blocked use of an MLS feed embedded in a member agent website.  MIBOR maintained that the site broke MLS rules in allowing scraping of content by Google.  They also maintain that a Framed IDX is permissible while an embedded one is not. 

The fallacy in their thinking is two fold:

  1. Google is caching the identical content of the site for indexing purposes, not for scraping.  To understand the concept of caching, please visit these two wikipedia articles –
  2. The sites they think are not crawlable and indexable ( Framed IDX Solutions) are in fact crawlable, indexable, and scrapeable. This is evidenced by my own Framed IDX Solution provided by Listingware.com which is a well know IDX provider across the country.

Now it appears that MIBOR is guilty of violating its own policy as can be evidenced by this Google Search of listings apparently fed from MIBOR to Listinghub: 

MIBOR Listing Details on Google

Google visits, caches, and indexes both Framed IDX and Embedded IDX’s.  The proof is above.

The quandry that NAR will find itself in when it wakes up to these facts is that if the embedded IDX’s are violating the rules, so are the framed solutions.  They must decide whether to rip apart an entire sector of the agent community, an entire industry of agent service providers, and also rob the public at large both buyers and sellers of relevant information for the benefit of a few that want to list properties, promote them poorly, get both sides of a deal and not have the buyers represented at all.

In summary, MIBOR and NAR do not know how the internet works and if they don’t want content cached by Google, they should never post it to the internet.

They must now decide – kill all feeds or permit all feeds!  It is that simple and the ignorance is bliss line won’t work. 

Ask yourself who benefits from killing all the feeds?  No one!


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15 comments so far


That’s interesting. I did a search for our framed IDX and I got a listing for the search form itself, which appears to be what you got also, but I may not be using the correct search criteria.

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May 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

What is your IDX address?

May 9th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

Pat, it seems that your Iframed IDX Solution has over 130 pages indexed on Google – Oooops!


May 9th, 2009 at 2:41 pm


May 9th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

Yeah, I thought I might be using the wrong criteria…ooops is right! Well, hopefully Jay and Paula will convince the NAR ditzeratti of the error of their ways! Thx Cal!

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May 9th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

This very subject is taking over agent genius and several other great blog sites. I truly hope Jay and Paula’s articulate and educated presentation of this issue will allow NAR to move back to the right side of this issue and futher it’s membership’s goals. It’s hard to stay in the mindset of this being an us versus us issue instead of turning NAR into something it isn’t. I’m a member, will be a member, and yet can’t help feeling like we’re fighting ourselves on this.

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May 11th, 2009 at 10:35 am

Since when have frames been indexable? I always thought they were not. Great article. What is the picture in the middle of it?

May 11th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

The picture is a 3D graphic representation of the interlinkings of pages within my Framed IDX solution. I sent a spider out, crawled the site, and that is what my IDX looks like. The dots are pages and the lines are links between pages. The purpose was to show that spiders can and do crawl IDX solutions (mine did). What the spiders do not do is crawl the IDX within an IFrame. An IFrame is simply a site within a site, the link you place within the IFrame is also the same link that is crawled if there is an entry point via any other links to the IDX site that are not within an IFrame.

As I stated in the MIBOR blog entry, spiders can be asked not to crawl sites via a robots.txt file, and Google will obey, but true scrapers will ignore the robots.txt file and crawl the contents of the site at will.

May 11th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

A nice related post from Carolyn Gjerde-Tu – http://www.ebaspace.com/2009/05/11/mibor-needs-a-clue/

May 11th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Curtis Reddehase

It is time we as agents start helping other agents use technology. We are the voice the sales force and we should act like it.

We decided to make a decission of our own

Real estate is for professionals and our clients


May 12th, 2009 at 10:31 am

It looks like the committee will be voting tomorrow. I hear they are leaning to reversing their decision.

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May 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

Seems we won the good fight – I’m confident they will vote in the new wording. Kudos to you, Cal, truly a victory for Social Media. This may be the death knell for the “letter to your congressman” age, and the advent of the SM forum as a power for change.

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May 16th, 2009 at 5:54 am

Alas, we all spoke too soon. Vote is delayed for six months. Stupid MIBOR!

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May 18th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

So they dont want agents to let google show their listings. But they are sending out all the listings through listhub. What the hell is wrong with those guys.

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May 18th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

This issue – unlike any other I’ve seen across the real estate spectrum of blogs – is dominating the landscape.

It’s time to act ladies and gentlemen – act through your emails to NAR – get OUR organization back on OUR side. Rules written in 2005 have to adjust to changing times, the new lingo submitted resolved all of this. MIBOR should change their CE course offerings to educated THEMSELVES first.

Navy Chief, Navy Pride

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May 20th, 2009 at 4:20 am

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